Tulpa.info - metaphysics

Personally I’ve had a lot of very intense psychological experiences that while I’m aware they were things like hypnagogic hallucinations, I still put spiritual weight in them. Science and magic are not mutually exclusive

arbitrary rules imposed on the universe Sounds right to me, from at least as far as I understand

2:04 AM

I should sleep now. Goodnight

Granted most of the magic systems I come up with end up falling into some sub-category of "will-based magic" or "rules-based magic" or a weird combination of those

Are yo really going to sleep?

Good night!!

hopefully

squint

Like the subjective feeling of affecting your own thinking could arguably be called will-based magic... A very unorthodox spin on the mind-body problem XD

Yall seem like cool ppl

that’s the least magical magic i’ve heard of

3:05 PM

what’s the problem with mind-body?

Silina

I don't think I have seen a tulpa with such a superiority complex before tbh. Feels surreal in a way

When you have mental health issues and bad mindsets combined, you can absolutely end up with something like this. To me the issues are:

Mental health is worsening intrusive thoughts
The mindset the tulpa is a powerful advirsary rather than an equal who can be reasoned with

The latter is fixable, the former can make or break the tulpa forcing experience. If they got treatment they may be able to have an alright time with tulpamancy, if not I would then consider dissipation with possibly an integration-focused approach if necessary. A dysfunctional system is a lose-lose situation for both the host and tulpa involved, sometimes dissipation is the necessary option.

i feel like most plushes have a soul of some kind in them

I mean maybe There's no feasible way to prove or disprove it

Context to question: https://discord.com/channels/431579755037589505/431591449348276224/1123398758013599754

Idk if this counts as something like tulpamancy but i cant stop seeing plushes as being alive

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12:25 AM

Yesn't? The concept of creating a thoughtform and seeing them as alive (even if you stuff that concept into a plushie) is a behavior encouraged by tulpamancy initially. Moreso the creation of a personality ppart though, most typically discourage a plushie as a tulpa's form Gray has an interesting perspective on souls you may find relevant. Gray believes he is giving off his energy to the inanimate objects around him. Thus, he is giving life to inanimate objects he cares for. Perhaps this is what you are doing, and what you're doing is essentially associating yourself with the plushie. Like tulpamancy though, you can always break the association and reclaim your energy

@ASillyPurpleBird I was giving Lumi crap, you're good

3:10 AM

I don't mind talking about religion, I'm just annoyed Lumi started religious discussion in the general chat

Luminesce: Logical discussion of supernatural/metaphysical topics is allowed anywhere (edited)

3:10 AM

The metaphysics channel (and board on the forum) is for.. less logical discussion

well basically, the universe is perfect, it seems to be created by some intelligent life, the fundamental forces and all of that crap seem perfectly tuned. And there is also the fact that there are no aliens we can see, almost as if we are the only life allowed. But then it seems dumb that the universe is only a couple thousand years old, with all of the evidence showing how old it is

Luminesce: If we banned discussion of things that weren't immediately obvious in their nature, tulpamancy itself would never have been discussed and learned about (edited)

looking at the world from an objective view, it seems like every religion is wrong

Luminesce: Well, there are certainly some mysteries left here and there (edited)

3:12 AM

Though not nearly as many as a few thousand years ago

3:13 AM

I personally am acting-atheist because I've seen no evidence to believe in any specific higher power - however, I don't deny that the existence of a higher power is possible, because we can't really know there isn't one (edited)

3:13 AM

Especially because we can't scientifically explain yet how the universe got here. That's a big one (edited)

I just hope that the universe has a god, that is more benevolent and caring than the ones in world religions

3:14 AM

like jeez, so much random stuff, for a being with infinite wisdom

anyone ever heard of godforms?

Luminesce: Oh, but I blatantly deny that the Christian God, or most popular religions' Gods, exist as they're written about. (edited)

3:14 AM

The God in the Christian bible is so incredibly flawed in such human ways that I could never worship such a flawed being.

3:14 AM

But I don't deny at all that the God Christians mean to be referring to could exist.

3:15 AM

He would just be much, much more perfect than they try to describe him as.

Reisen

Luminesce: Oh, but I blatantly deny that the Christian God, or most popular religions' Gods, exist as they're written about. (edited)

I have a running theory about this, the christian god is real, and maybe jesus, but the bible was written by people back then and they didn't think the same

Luminesce: Beyond our comprehension, and all (edited)

yeah

3:15 AM

it feels wrong just discussing this too

ASillyPurpleBird

well basically, the universe is perfect, it seems to be created by some intelligent life, the fundamental forces and all of that crap seem perfectly tuned. And there is also the fact that there are no aliens we can see, almost as if we are the only life allowed. But then it seems dumb that the universe is only a couple thousand years old, with all of the evidence showing how old it is

Well, see, there may be a god in this case, just not a particular one that is worshipped

but the scary thing is that the god I have been worshipping for most my life is real, and im going straight to hell when i die

Like, god can be many of things

ASillyPurpleBird

it feels wrong just discussing this too

Luminesce: To me - even as an atheist - it feels wrong to talk about God like a human-describable entity. Like, if you do believe in Him, speaking as if you have any idea what his intentions or working processes are sounds so incredibly ignorant. (edited)

God can be the person who created the computer simulating us

3:16 AM

(Or etc, just giving examples)

ASillyPurpleBird

but the scary thing is that the god I have been worshipping for most my life is real, and im going straight to hell when i die

Luminesce: No sense in believing in rules that condemn you for things beyond your control. You might be best off believing in your God but not necessarily the more ridiculous/meaningless rules such as not being gay. (edited)

3:18 AM

They were more than likely all just decided on by random humans in the past, after all

yeah

That doesn't necessarily mean the God themselves does not exist

Lol

after all, just trusting in jesus is the main point

The concept of a God has bothered my host for awhile. He has personal issues with the idea a Christian God- why should you love back a being who is okay with designing people to be broken. Like if being gay is bad, why did God make people gay? I personally don't like how God seems to push people apart or how God even treats evangelists. I always get annoyed when people argue about religious related stuff when otherwise they would get along fine. I also feel bad for the evangelists spending a lot of time getting mocked or scorned at just because they think they're doing the right thing. If I learned anything about trust, it seems too good to be true for God to reward you in the afterlife if he's going to treat you like dirt in this one... That being said, I can't speak for the universe. I believe it's totally possible we're just lucky as a species and we won the lottery being the only species we know exist right now. It doesn't mean God isn't real, and if there is one, I don't know if it's the all loving Christian God

Luminesce: Basically, I don't put any stock in all the nonsense random humans say about any God. No God worth my faith is fathomable by random humans. If there is a higher power like that, their inner workings are beyond our comprehension - which is exactly how I'd prefer it. (edited)

lets just hope we dont have a mandela catalogue situation on our hands

Reisen

Luminesce: No sense in believing in rules that condemn you for things beyond your control. You might be best off believing in your God but not necessarily the more ridiculous/meaningless rules such as not being gay. (edited)

I (personally, im not tryna start arguments) think its ridiculous of people to believe an all powerful entity would go out of their way to create a universe, create humans, give them free will, and say "man, if you do x i am sending you to the punishment center even though i designed your nature to be like that"

3:19 AM

Because tbh, thats how omnipotence works

3:20 AM

Though, im backing out of this

Luminesce: ... Anyways, to have the best chance of avoiding a bad afterlife, simply live the best ways you can and love your fellow humans (edited)

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and believe in jesus

3:20 AM

probably

but the scary thing is that the god I have been worshipping for most my life is real, and im going straight to hell when i die

@ASillyPurpleBird - jump I would much rather burn in hell than be with the Christian God if he turns out to be real. At least Satan is honest about what's going on

Reisen

Luminesce: ... Anyways, to have the best chance of avoiding a bad afterlife, simply live the best ways you can and love your fellow humans (edited)

This is more of what i expect a god to want

3:21 AM

"Just be nice to people lol"

3:21 AM

"BeiNg a dick is totally not cool"

3:21 AM

Not

what if jesus was our last chance at proving we're not wicked and terrible, and we failed that. God stopped performnig miracles and such for us and allowed humans to fall into corruption

"Those natural desires i designed you with? Thats satan lol"

ASillyPurpleBird

what if jesus was our last chance at proving we're not wicked and terrible, and we failed that. God stopped performnig miracles and such for us and allowed humans to fall into corruption

Luminesce: Who's this "we"? I sure wasn't around for that, and given my humanitarian values, I definitely would've been a follower (edited)

Reisen

Luminesce: Who's this "we"? I sure wasn't around for that, and given my humanitarian values, I definitely would've been a follower (edited)

idk man im speculating

Jesus was a dope guy

its what I do when im stressed about a topic

I'm saying there's no point in worrying over things you never had a say in.

what if jesus was our last chance at proving we're not wicked and terrible, and we failed that. God stopped performnig miracles and such for us and allowed humans to fall into corruption

@ASillyPurpleBird - jump Is it really our fault if God set us up for failure in the first place?

Reisen

I'm saying there's no point in worrying over things you never had a say in.

im just worried about going to hell

3:23 AM

im trying to piece togethor the dots

Jesus is the best thing about christianity (i mean it is christianity afterall)

maybe understand what is really going on

He was a cool dude that wasnt mean to people

ASillyPurpleBird

maybe understand what is really going on

Luminesce: If it were possible to know exactly what potential higher power existed & what they wanted, we would not have so many competing religions (edited)

im just worried about going to hell

@ASillyPurpleBird - jump My life is already a living hell, hell can't be that much worse. You just kind of roll with it. I think it's important to be a good person and do your best. That's all you can do

Gray | Shadow System

what if jesus was our last chance at proving we're not wicked and terrible, and we failed that. God stopped performnig miracles and such for us and allowed humans to fall into corruption

@ASillyPurpleBird - jump Is it really our fault if God set us up for failure in the first place?

Im avoiding this personally because while i agree with you completely Im too tired to be fired up rn

3:24 AM

This is a thing that reaaly gets me typing

3:24 AM

How the christian god is well, not super rad in the way hes portrayed

think im just gonna go draw

3:24 AM

goodbye

Reisen

Luminesce: If it were possible to know exactly what potential higher power existed & what they wanted, we would not have so many competing religions (edited)

I dont think the real god would even fucking care tbh with you

I have a lot of spite. I called for help from God when I was at one of my lowest points and instead I ended up hurting a new tulpa.

If i was omnipotent i wouldnt

3:26 AM

I was christian and then i realised how it just feels like a set up for failure (like gray said)

3:26 AM

Like, if your omnipotent, you know damn well how you designed Humans

3:26 AM

You know exactly what each and every one of them is going to do in any given situation

The Christian god is very yk bad

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Jesus is pretty dope tho

3:27 AM

Btw

Khaos

The Christian god is very yk bad

Luminesce: Like I said, I just doubt all the things humans say about Him. There might be a real one who is great. (edited)

They like wiped out ppl including babies

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Reply to: How the christian god is well, not super rad in the way hes portrayed

God is especially a dick in the old testament

Luminesce: But if I were personally to believe in a god, they would've put us here just to experience life (edited)

3:28 AM

Not for any specific goals other than that, just to experience (edited)

It may be a mistranslation but the bible says that god punished all of eygpt for their leaders dumb decision, when god was the one that hardened his heart